one thing that is never really brought to qustion is the collpse of our soclity becuase of our own sucicdly culture. it seems to have thought to exist for ever maybe not as america but as you know empires fall and all these other things go but never our socity is in qustion all the same just probly a new flag same old. now this whole oil thing is not new poeple knew about it before the car was even fully marketed to the point that it is today. goege washtion carber and heanery ford both had a idea for bio fuels and made a dielas engine run on veditbel oils. what is shame about us it that popele saw thigs coming but nnothing was done but why? i bleeve that like a really bad wart it was growing and growing and to try to rip it out would cuase so much of a change that poeple would really get angry or the "wroung" poeple would get poor. itg is as if the poeple on easter island some one made a wheel from stone that would move the statues for them but they said fuck it we got trees and that cuased there down fall and might cuase ours. hpoefully some wizard person will make cold fusion but that probly wont happen.

looking at the peek oil i mean some body step in to gear and relaly do some thing. is this why we went to iraq or the middle east to get some of theres since they peeked later then we did. i mean prorlby thats why bush was voted back. who knows prephaps in 100 years fomr now his actions would of prolonged for us to change the callpose and poeple would make staues of him. wow that would be a werid world but perhaps it could happen. but this doesnt have to be sad where poeple will eat each other maybe it would be slow and for the better like maybe popele would be come nicer. i feel every one would freak out make it worse but then they will realize that not much will be donw by doing that so they might calm down. also depending on the time when ti happens if the owrld is ready for the switch then it will be fine if not shit might happen.

13 billion years

usually when any one says the big picture the biggest picture most people see is that they feel it is the universe and it means every thing. often opele use that for this every thing as a spot to start. and if this is every thing it is thought it would end in a big freeze destroying all matter leaving only crappy light particles. looking at this large amount of time and a huge BIG place we are in it is hard to feel any one has any meaning or is of any size to make a difference. one man named conperigus once said that there are thousands of other planets suns and earths all as holy as earth. he was burned to death by the church. this view of there are other places like our own many more and that we are small is fictu irghting to many but now seems to be a get away and i believe no t probably looked at and is just accepted with out an understanding of it thus they make sthe conclusion that all is meaning less. but ill ask what would be meaning full to be the only planet? or to be half the size of the universe ? what would it take to be meaning full in there eyes. in asking this what is meaning full the really big things? i think it is to have an effect on a big picture. to see what these people think it is probably what ever has the biggest effect is more meaning full. for example in the movie collateral that was the big point of the antagonist who felt what does it all matter when we are just a small dot in a small dot. also many lines in the movie fight club but why is this why dose effect on the bigger picture more meaning full even if really it is completely meaning less? my point is that there is no problem being a small dot on a even smaller dot but many people thing so and what are ways that having a small role can have a big effect or even a small effect.
a big effect could be meaning full but meaning less at the same time. for instance if some one buries an island in mud big task but nothing really came from it but a muddy mound. but that's a bit out there so a good example of how some thing small can be meaning full is in the radio show this American life the episode lets change the world act 2 "help me heather" this storie is true and is about a man who take scalls from people and just listens. some times they talk about there problems and just rant other times they make fun of him. here is the radio show link

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=962

from what began as a small accident from a prank call turned in to a whole human service to his community and helps people vent and probly make the right directions oh and even saved a couple peoples lives from killing them selves. but some thing as small as a call turns in to a meaning full conversation (which is also small by these standards) and makes all the difference. more of a differance then some gamma ray burst 1000 light years away that people seem envy.

see i think the smallest things usually make the biggest change and are usually more meaning full. but it all depends on what if I'm trying to stop lets say a contraction camp maybe the best thing for me to do is not trow chrumbs over but maybe save them or whole loafs of bread. but churmbs could help. also so how big effects even in the cosmic scale that people are so in tharlwed in are effected by little things people like Steven hawking realize this and pioneered a field calling quantum cosmology so show how things as small as atoms effect the "grand scale" of things .for if the cosmic scale is so important when first i don't believe many of us could be in touch with it. also where does this scale begin is it possible that there is no scale just our crappy perspective that limits allot so we invent this grand scale to make our selves smaller when really it never mattered i weather how small our planet is to the Virgo super cluster you know it doesn't matter because even if we could effect those big things what would we do? move them or make them dance? it is good people look at the size and wonder but there expectations are to unreal and realize that no matter how small big things can still be made and to batter the bigger scheme of things probably the more realistic one.

first reaction to the collapse

well damn. the easter island thing is sad and that there vaules and culture caused there own destruction. where there any other ways could some one have said " a god doesnt look at size but only at detail." then they focus on makeing the most realistc on in a smalllar size and then they wouldnt need the trees. to me that mirros when goeoge washtion carber and ford made a engine run on penut oil becuase they knew oil wasnt going to last forever. it is like that there was a confirmed "come on guys" meaning the opition to change was there but peopel didnt take it. like the exsample i said before they just threw it over there heads and said to hell with that i like big things!! even now peopele feel that they still like there big cars and them to make loud noises. but thats is just one aspect probly the best thyihng to do is to change the root and make enegery that runs things like plastics ,homes and the things that support this systeam to a better energy that wont deplet the earth then it might castcad or grow on to other things. this is like the poeple on easter island had other trees to use besides the ones that where feeding them and maybe could of used other rocks or other trees if any. there are alot of simlaritys here whichc i find sad.